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So I won’t be running around in many groups that are not for my guild until they fix what they’re about to screw up in the next major path.

In the next patch they’re going to create this new system for finding dungeon pug groups cross-realm. It should making finding groups really really fast, and sounds like a quick way to get through some of those. That’s the good part.

The bad part is that they’re also adding in a button to all loot rolls that lets people request an item get DE’d automatically if there is an enchanter in the group.

Without Asking

At this point, enchanters have no way to opt-out of this ability for other people in the group to use their profession without their consent.

So basically, I spent a fortune leveling my profession, but you get to use the result of my hard work for free whether I want you to or not.

Whuuuuuutttt?

Without an Enchanter

Additionally, the new pug system is going to come with a ‘kick’ functionality so 4 votes out of 5 can kick someone out of the pug group. So we don’t have an enchanter in the group, lets try to find one. New person just joined the group from the random pick system, check armory, nope, not an enchanter, all 4 of us kick them, try to get another person instead, rinse and repeat.

Without any Money

Another major element is that people are going to be suddenly flooding the AH economy with dust and shards unlike any time in the past. A great many enchanters make more money by selling mats for enchants, not from the enchants and now everyone they run instances with are automagically going to be competitors with them on the AH? Yay?

Without a Response

There’s a forum post currently locked at 76 pages in response to the official wow post. There was no response from Blizz beyond the very first post from them that started the discussion.

Of course, now we know that them starting this post looking for ‘feedback’ on their idea actually didn’t mean jack shit since they didn’t respond to any of the posts on that discussion (nor the hundreds of other posts that have been started on the forums on that topic). Gee what a surprise it was to see them post on the official site that it’s going to happen (unchanged by any comments).

From that page:

Group Disenchanting
Players in a group with an enchanter will now have the option to automatically disenchant any items that are not claimed by a player from within the loot window. Players will have this option available to them in both premade groups and in randomly matched groups. This option is available in any loot system, even if players don’t use the new dungeon tool.

Notice that line ‘even if players don’t use the new dungeon tool’? Yeah, that means this applies to any instances we run as enchanters.

Without Support

If you have any doubt as to WHY enchanters may be upset by this, how about you check out a couple of those 76 pages or hundreds of other posts getting buried, removed, redirected or locked by Blizz on the profession forums.

Woo hoo, lets insult enchanters for a while.

How about a few of the comments slamming enchanters that are sooooooo reflective of why it is that we don’t feel it should be assumed that we want to use our profession for free to everyone:

The biggest complaint is either from ninjas Who greed for DE and then DC at end or are players who run fail pugs and DE in the hopes of group disband before end from wipes.

Good luck getting into groups if you plan on taking all the shards for yourself at the end just because you’re the enchanter. If you want to roll Greed for everything and then shard what you win for yourself at the end, that’s your business. That, to me, feels dishonest and sneaky.

(This next one is in response to someone who said they’d ask everyone in a group they lead to roll need on everything that drops so the DE system doesn’t kick in.)

Unless you are a tank or healer as a main you will likely find yourself /kick vote.

Wow. Get over yourself. You are not being *forced* to do anything, its handled automatically. You are not losing control of your character and being forced to watch it walk around DEIng items and opening trades with everyone. The point of an MMO is cooperative gameplay. Small minded selfish people will get the receiving end of the Vote Kick feature, and that’s a good thing. Improves the game.

Group w/ encanter gets items free (no enchanter charges their group, if they do, they’re jerks)

Yeah, I know, you spent THOUSANDS of gold to level up blah blah blah. The same old tired excuses. You;ve most likely made your money back by now, so get used to the idea that this is going to go live, and anything you do to screw over groups is just going to earn you trouble.

You do realize that you still have choices right?

run with friends who agree with you (if you find some) or your guild
don’t run the instances with your enchanter
drop enchanting

seriously if you think blizzard is taking away your right to play however you want then quit the game, and give me your stuff

But you see – this is where the new LFG system comes in to play.

Enchanter: “Hey guys, I’m gonna Need on this stuff because I don’t want to let you 4 get shards from me.”

Group Leader has Initiated a Kickvote
–All players have voted to kick.

Enchanter has been removed from the group.

Enchanter now gets to spend the next 15 minutes watching his Instance Deserter debuff tick down thinking over why he / she is such a greedy fool.

Enchanters need to get over themselves over this. Seriously.

All this is really doing is saves the Enchanter from having to DE everything at the end of a run, make people roll to pass the things out, etc. Oh, this will also hopefully stop the Enchanters from Disenchanting all of the drops through the entire run and taking off with all of the mats as if 4-24 other people didn’t help them to earn those mats! I hate ninjas.

And these are just a few precious moments selected from the first 8 pages of the 76 page thread mentioned earlier.

You see VERY few non-enchanters who feel this should not happen. Go figure.

Without Surprise

Blizz is greatly experienced at reaming enchanters.

I mean, seriously, enchanters have been severely screwed over in the past. Back in the day before inscription we were the ONLY profession that by the way it was designed HAD to wander around whoring ourselves out on trade chat to get our enchanting skill up higher.

When that got old we’d go buy stuff on the AH and enchant it and hope on resale we could make some money back.

Oh, don’t forget, we DE all the quest rewards we get, all our dungeon drops.. etc.. instead of selling to a vendor. You know, the way most people make money while leveling? Yeah, we don’t.

Oh but remember, Blizz supposedly took pity on us right? We have inscription people now who will make us paper so we can write our enchants on them and sell them on the AH just like that.

Yeah.. cause that was supposed to be easier right? Ha!

Ok, calmly, lets remind ourselves how this works.

If, for example, an inscription person wishes to write down a spell like a glyph they have to do the following:

Get herbs, mill herbs, get pigment from milling, take pigment, buy bottles, make ink from pigment, buy parchment, write ink on parchment in spell form to make glyph.

In simple form, they are getting their materials and writing their spell on paper they bought from a vendor.

Now, lets consider an enchanter who wants to make an enchant.

Get colored items (greens or blues) from drops, auction house purchase, quest reward, or dungeon rewards. Use disenchanting skill to destroy item and get dust or shard. Repeat process until you have the right dust/shards for your enchant. Meet with person and apply enchant to their item.

Ok, so here’s the ‘help’ Blizz gave Enchanters:

Get colored items (greens or blues) from drops, auction house purchase, quest reward, or dungeon rewards. Use disenchanting skill to destroy item and get dust or shard. Repeat process until you have the right dust/shards for your enchant. Buy correct type of vellum on auction house if not more expensive than the value of the enchant in total for sale (often not the case). If value of mats + cost of vellum < value of enchant, buy vellum and make enchant for sale. If value of mats + cost of vellum > value of enchant, sell mats on auction house OR check herb prices. For herb prices, if herb prices + cost of tip (15% of materials cost) + cost of bottles + cost of paper < cost of vellum, then buy herbs possible for making inks and ask an inscription person to turn the herbs into pigment, then buy them bottles to turn them into inks, then buy them parchment to turn them into vellum, then give them a tip.

WOULD IT HAVE BEEN SO HARD TO JUST LET US WRITE THEM ON PAPER WE BUY FROM A VENDOR?!!?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, so inscription people only have to take their spell materials and apply them to vendor paper, while we have to rely on 2 professions? We not only have to rely on an inscriptionist, but also an herbalist (often the same person, but not always). Gee, thanks for the help Blizz.

Without Equality

If enchanters are going to have their disenchant ability used in this way, then I would like:

Inscriptionists who pick herbs in an instance have their herbs automatically milled and those pigments rolled on by the group.

Jewelcrafters who mine in an instance have their ore automatically prospected and those results rolled on by the group.

etc…

If you don’t think enchanters have any right to get pissed off, just picture your profession being used like that in an instance and maybe you will rethink it.

Without an Option

All enchanters are saying is that we should have the option built in to enable or disable the use of our profession in this way.

We should not be taken for granted.

We should not be required to use our profession for people we don’t want to use it for.

We should not be maligned as potential thieves just because people are paranoid.

We should not be forced to service other players for free when we could normally charge for the service.

We should not be singled out as the only profession type this applies to.

Without a Healer

This is simply unacceptable and I won’t be playing my enchanter (main healer) for ANY groups that are not of my guild until this is made right.

Written By: Nicole

This entry was posted on Friday, November 20th, 2009 at 11:25 am and is filed under Changes. Tags: disenchant, disenchanting, enchant, enchanting, patch 3.3, problems. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.